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Reviews of Recent IARTA Events
Second IARTA Conference
Our second conference took place onthe 1st October 2011 in London and was a huge success. Seventy people gatheredat the NVCO in Kings Cross and unlike the previous conference, where it snowed,the weather this year was truly glorious.
The theme of the conference was Inside Out:A relational transactional analysis approach to trauma. We were richlystimulated by presentations on trauma by Jo Stuthridge from New Zealand andJean Maquet from France. These were interspersed by clinical discussion groups.
Jo's presentation was called: Traversing theFault lines: A relational approach to the treatment of trauma.
She talked about the challenges we face astherapists as we set out to transform the experience of trauma, as we “traversethe fault lines in therapy” without falling into the abyss of traumaticrepetition. Using powerful client examples she talked about how in therapy,trauma emerges as transferential enactment that creates ruptures between clientand therapist. She linked this to the metaphor of the abyss, which represents a collapse of reflective space.
Jo Stuthridge (left) and Jean Maquet (right) giving their presentations
Emma Haynes, a psychotherapy student at theMetanoia Institute, who is currently preparing for her CTA exams, gives her response to Jo’s presentation:
“I was struck by the photographs shown to us by Jo of her home town, Christchurch in New Zealand, in the aftermath of therecent earthquake with its parallel to trauma. The photograph of the fault linein the road, with the title of “Fracture in Relationship” was dramatic and highly evocative, as were the images of the damaged buildings. I had the sense, as I watched, of irreparable damage to Christchurch and its inhabitants, both physically, emotionally and psychologically. Jo linked this to the damage ofrelational trauma to the child and how this forms fault lines within the mind of the traumatised child, fracturing the ego almost like the way an egg shellfractures when cracked.
Jo explained how in response to relationaltrauma, which is a gross violation of the self, a child gets stuck in a stateof unbearable affect and faced with this intolerable situation, cuts off part of self to survive – or in other words defends their sanity by dissociation. Jo explainedher belief that, in the treatment of trauma, enactment is both inevitable andnecessary, serving to bring the dissociated parts of the self into theconscious awareness of the client.
Using powerful client examples from her ownwork, she described and explained how she sees an enactment as an intersection between the two scripts of client and therapist, where the vulnerabilities ofeach become interlocked.
Whilst enactments can and inevitably doprovoke bad feelings of shame, betrayal, etc within both parties, they alsooffer an opportunity for healing. When the therapist is willing to reflect onthe mess that follows and find a way to communicate her understanding, what isimplicit is made available for explicit understanding. Jo suggested thatshared understanding occurs with “an act of recognition” (a crossed transactionthat creates a disjuncture, disturbing the client’s script). Resolution of theenactment helps to form a bridge between tentative states of self. This processincreases the client’s capacity to contain internal conflict, for symbolisationand for expression of previously dissociated parts of the self, so that theycan be integrated”.
Another conference attender, Briony Nichols, a PTSTA also gives her views:
“Earthquakes and fracturing of the landscapebecame a key theme of Jo Stuthridge’s presentation, as she prepared for theconference in the context of the Christchurch earthquake in New Zealand. Shediscussed how trauma produces intrapsychic fracturing and dissociation. In thisway, a coherent self-narrative is sacrificed in order to maintain arelationship and prevent internal conflict. When these intrapsychic faultlinesare re-triggered, the trauma will emerge as a transferential enactment that canthreaten the therapeutic relationship. Jo presented case examples of her workwith these fractures – ‘traversing the faultlines’ in the interpersonal realm.In particular, she discussed the attention she pays to assaults on thetherapeutic frame, where these enactments often emerge”.
Jean's presentation was entitled: How thetherapy of patients who were abused in childhood creates paradoxes in thetherapeutic relationship.
He talked about his work with survivors ofchild abuse and explained how he considers the therapeutic relationship to bethe main vehicle of therapeutic change.
Focusing on "relational paradoxes"he offered a framework for understanding and containing paradoxical experiencesin the therapist-patient relationship. Within this he considered fourdimensions: contact-working alliance, contract, emotions and countertransference and linked each of these to their role in helping a traumatisedclient to learn how to symbolize and to manage their shame.
Emma Haynes, also commented on Jean’spresentation.
Jean suggested that working with someone whohas been traumatised is similar to touching someone who has been burnt –contact hurts. In fact, he suggests that they have been burnt, psychologicallyburnt, and their fear of being burnt again creates many difficulties during thetreatment.
“As psychotherapists, we have to accept tolive this relationship in its paradoxical nature and not try to resolve theparadox ... but to (almost) let it resolve by itself.
Continuing the metaphor, he suggests thatto rebuild the psychic tissue that has been burnt, the traumatised clients needto re-learn how to symbolise. He defined symbolisatio as the psychicinternalisation of an object – which allows the baby to replace the mother witha comforting object when she is not there – something that is very difficultfor anyone who has been traumatised and who does not trust contact.
Jean believes that 'the frame' (the business contract in TA) provides a set of constants for the client and becomes thecontainer of the therapy process, supporting symbolisation. He suggested thatmost acting out in the therapeutic relationship, occurs around the frame,coming early; refusing to leave; forgetting payment; going over time; phoningthe therapist in between sessions etc. He believes that if the therapist canaccept challenges to the frame, without retaliation or collapse and use this asthe basis for meaning making with the client, then they will come to trust inthe constant and safe nature of the therapeutic relationship, viewing andinternalising the symbol of the frame (object) as something useful andcontaining for them”.
Jean used a very moving account of his workwith a traumatised client to illustrate his presentation.
Briony Nichols described how each of the-
“… two hour-long presentations (one in themorning one in the afternoon), was followed by a short question and answersession then hour-long discussion groups. These small facilitated groups gaveus delegates time to discuss the presentations in the light of our own clinicalexperiences, integrating the learning and expanding on some of the themes thathad been presented. This made the conference a deeply reflective one, as therichness of the clinical and theoretical material evolved throughout the day”
The two presentations were separated by a wonderful and plentiful lunch, which many, taking advantage of themini heat wave, ate outside in the grounds of the NCVO. We finished with awell-attended AGM and overwhelming support for another conference next year.
Videos of both presentations can be found onthe members area of the IARTA website at www.relationalta.com
Fifth bi-annual colloquium
Our last Colloquium took place in the week beginning 4th November 2011. The theme was "Living with Old Nick: an examination of the shadow side" - the title of the paper that launched the colloquium, by Geoff Hopping, UK (consultant psychotherapist at Whitemoor Prison, UKCP registered transactional analysts and psychoanalytic psychotherapist). (see past events for a more detailed account of this and other colloquia and conferences).
The colloquium organiser, Ray Little, introduces the paper: Geoff’s declared aim in writing his paper was to stimulate wider interest and debate of the darker side of the human condition. He suggests humanistic psychotherapy, including Transactional Analysis over emphasises the positive side of human nature and our potential for change and growth. Geoff believes this is a distorted reflection of our true nature and is problematic for the practice of psychotherapy. He believes that our mental health can be improved with awareness and acceptance of our own shadow. He goes on to suggest when we in some way deny our destructive selves our mental health must inevitably suffer. Such denial can support a range of problematic behaviours which on a continuum can include serious harm to self or others, through to thoughtlessness, selfishness and a narcissistic sense of entitlement.
In this paper Geoff considers the aetiology and definitions of demonic or shadow states ofmind. He then describes aspects of ‘Demonic’ states of mind, expressed as attacks against the self and others, and considers treatment which some TA therapists might find challenging.
Four discussants responded to Geoff's paper: Adena Franses (Spain), Izumi Kadomoto (Japan), Mica Douglas (UK) and Jamie Agar (UK), all of whom brought their ideas and thoughts stimulated by the paper - from theoretical, cultural and personal perspectives. Then more than 70 members took part in a rich discussion that ranged from the excitingly theoretical to the deeply moving as people shared their own experiences of the 'shadow' - of working with that hidden and often shame-bound part of ourselves and our clients.
Profiles of contributors
Geoff Hopping is a Teaching and Supervising Transactional Analyst and a psychoanalytic psychotherapist. After spending twenty years in private practice as a therapist and supervisor, Geoff now works as a Consultant Psychotherapist on the therapeutic wing in a high security men’s prison. He is also on the Teaching Staff at Metanoia Institute, London, UK
Izumi Kadomoto PTSTA(P) is a clinical psychologist/therapist and also a governmental official working within the judicial system in Japan. She has been working with offenders and juvenile delinquents for about 20 years inthe correctional system in the Ministry of Justice, Japan. She is also one of the translators into Japanese of “Transactional Analysis – a Relational Perspective” (2002) byHelena Hargaden and Charlotte Sills.
Mica Douglas TSTA (P) specialises in early developmental trauma working with children, young people and adults. Inaddition to private practice, Mica works with ‘Looked After Children’ who have all suffered significant trauma. She helps foster parents to offer a different experience that takes account of right brain development, trauma, attachmentand how the body often 'evacuates' traumatic stress through inappropriate behaviour. Mica originally trained as a social worker and moved to London to work with offenders before training in 1996 to be a psychotherapist.
Adena Franses is a certified transactional analyst psychotherapist, supervisor and trainer from the UK and a qualified mental health nurse with more than 17 years experience working with individuals,couples and groups, in both private practice and within the public health sector. Her main areas of specialisation are eating disorders, self-harm and childhood sexual abuse. Adena moved to Granada, Spain in 2001, where she has established a full time clinical psychotherapy and supervision practice.
THIRD COLLOQUIUM
This colloquium ran from Saturday 5th March till 14th March. This was our third such event and we were delighted that Dr. Aaron Balick of the Relational School, contributed a paper titled, 'TMI' in the Transference: the loss of therapist anonymity in the Google generation', specifically for this colloquium.
Three discussants responded to the paper: Robert Downes, Sue Eusden and Paul Kellett van Leer.
The event was supported by Ray Little - colloquium organiser and Graeme Summers - Webmaster and moderated by Carole Shadbolt.
Ray writes:
"In his paper Dr Balick describes how our lives, and the lives of our
clients have been undergoing a massive re-alignment over the past
decade in response to the ubiquity of the internet. As Dr Balick
states, the nature of this impact depends a great deal on one's
generation and there is some emerging evidence indicating that
consistent online engagement is having an effect on the brain (Carr,
2010). He extrapolates from this that we can expect some effect on
relational styles as well; there is some research already indicating
the profound way in which social networking is implicated in
contemporary relationships (Future Foundation 2008). This implicates the very way in which we socialise; we spend more time communicating with each other
through virtual systems (internet messaging, Facebook chat, text
messages, etc.) than they do face-to-face in "real life". Dr Balick
considers some of these changes from a relational perspective and he
suggests that we need to consider the relational consequences of these
changes without jumping to the conclusion that such changes always
represent a distancing from what you might call 'proper relating'. He
reflects on these relational challenges as they relate to our
profession.
This is a very interesting paper, and I believe offers a timely
reminder to our profession to review out therapeutic frames in this
era of the internet." Ray Little, IARTA Colloquium Organiser.
Carole Shadbolt (the colloquium moderator) was in touch with the group from time to time during the discussion.
Biographies
Dr. Aaron Balick is the director of the MA in Psychoanalytic Studies programme at the Centre for Psychoanalytic Studies at the University of Essex and a psychotherapist registered with the United Kingdom Council for Psychotherapy (UKCP) working privately in London. He has a special interest in relational psychoanalysis and psychotherapy and is a founding and executive member of The Relational School, UK. In addition to his academic and clinical work, Aaron is a media spokesperson for the UKCP and a mental health writer, consultant and media contributor for the BBC.
Robert Downes works as a psychotherapist, supervisor and trainer in private practice and in a London School. He studied at the Chiron Centre for Body Psychotherapy in the 1990s and has extended his thought and practice through an engagement with relational psychoanalytic theory. He has taught relational body psychotherapy both in the British Isles and abroad. He sits on the executive committee of The Relational School and is co-author of Listening in Colour - Creating a Meeting Place with Young People. Contact:rjdownes@mac.com
Paul Kellett van Leer, MSc (Psych) MSc (TA Psych) PTSTA (P) is a BACP accredited counsellor and UKCP registered psychotherapist. He runs a private practice in South London offering individual and group psychotherapy, supervision and professional development, and is a Primary Tutor at the Metanoia Institute. He is a member of the European and International Transactional Analysis Associations. He has published articles, letters and reviews in a number of journals, most recently focusing on introducing contemporary psychoanalytic ideas within a relational TA frame. For more information and contact details, visit www.kellettvanleer.com.
Sue Eusden is a psychotherapist in private practice where she works with adults and with young people. She is a tutor at the Metanoia Institute in London and has a supervision practice in Edinburgh and in the Cotswolds. She is one of the founding members of IARTA. She is also the parent to two adolescent young men, who drag her into the technological world that appears to have changed the face of growing up for ever.
e-mail: smeusden@gmail.com
IARTA Colloquium Participation Guidelines
IARTA expects that all participants of the colloquium will behave professionally and ethically both when posting to the forum and with what is received from the IARTA colloquium.
Posting to the Colloquium
The IARTA colloquium is a public forum and should not be considered to be, in any way, a private communication. All postings should be written with the assumption and awareness that any clinical material, or any references to a client/patient, may be read or heard of by the person themselves or by a friend or relative of the client. Therefore, in line with written material presented for journal publication (e.g. TAJ) and the individual practitioners' member organisation code of ethics, when colloquium participants wish to describe clinical material in a posting they must either have a written consent from the client/patient or they should remove all personal information and disguise the material sufficiently so that the person being described is unrecognisable to anyone who might know him or her.
Copyright of material sent to the colloquium remains the property of the person posting the material. However, posting material to the colloquium grants IARTA rights to use the material during the colloquium and for use in the IARTA archives.
IARTA wishes to support open debate and discussion of ideas, concepts and philosophy of therapy, and expects that all participants of the colloquium will strive to maintain a respectful collegial tone. No arguments or comments that attack or criticise the individual will be accepted.
Referencing Colloquium Postings
The content and copyright of postings received on the colloquium belong to the author of each communication. Nothing may be reproduced in any form without written permission of the person who wrote the message. This means you are not to copy or distribute anything you receive within the IARTA colloquium without written permission of the author. Permission to use material should be obtained back channel from the individual author and not via the colloquium discussion list.
If you wish to quote anything from a particular colloquium, then it should referenced in the following manner:
Smith, A. (2010) IARTA Colloquium, 30th Oct. - 7th Nov. 2010. http://lists.topica.com/lists/iarta2010/read Retrieved 2nd Nov.2010 18.55 GMT.
Each quote from the colloquium should display the date and time when it was retrieved or received and the particular web address, as in the example above.
IARTA's One Day Conference - December 4th 2010
a report by Suzanne Boyd
Our first one day conference took place on Saturday 4th December at the NCVO, Regent's Wharf, London, and it was a wonderful day! Despite major snowfall across the country in the previous week, almost all our delegates managed to attend and I think all agreed that the travel struggles that some experienced were well worth it.
After a warm welcome from one of our founders, Sue Eusden, the day began with an inspiring and moving keynote speech on Use of Self in Psychotherapy by Professor Diana Shmukler. Diana's speech, with some added new material, will be posted elsewhere on the website, and we would like to take this opportunity to thank her very much for her generosity in providing us with this. Diana's keynote was followed by a panel discussion elegantly chaired by Charlotte Sills. Brian Fenton, Heather Fowlie, Ray Little and Suhith Shivanath joined Charlotte and Diana and gave us their thoughtful reflections on the theme of Use of Self before the floor was opened up for more general discussion.
This was followed by a most delicious lunch and more opportunities for connecting with friends and colleagues and mulling over the theme of the morning.
After lunch the programme offered a choice of either two shorter or one longer workshops from a rich menu that included Suzanne Boyd, Keith Chinock and Carole Shadbolt discussing Relational Supervision, Helena Hargaden on Erotic Transference, Paul Kellet van Leer on the Apparatus of the Soul, Birgitta Heiller talking about the Abandoned Therapist, Ray Little discussing Therapist's Self Disclosure and Trudi Newton on Relational Learning. From the buzz of conversation at the tea break it seemed that people were enjoying a truly collaborative and collegial experience that was interactive and engaging on many levels.
The conference part of the day ended with a coming together for reflection, facilitated by Sue Eusden, and again there was a feeling of engagement and a sense that although we are primarily a web based organisation it had been important to have an opportunity for us to meet together in person.
The day finally ended with our first AGM where the founder members talked through what had happened and what had been done since our beginning a year before and an invitation was issued for members to become more involved in the running of things as we move forward.
THAT INVITATION STILL STANDS!!
"Relational TA and Research" Webinar 7-13th Feb 2011
IARTA is pleased to announce their first webinar: "Relational TA and Research".Running over a week, 7th - 13th Feb 2011, participants first downloaded and read a paper which explains different research methodologies and the philosophies behind them and then through e-mail with the webinar convenor Dr Biljana van Rijn and the other webinar participants, raised questions and discussed the implications that research has or could have for relational practice.
We welcome comments and feedback from particpants - as well as suggestions or requests for further webinars.
A review of: The Second IARTA Colloquium
James R. Allen, M.D., T.S.T.A. A graduate of the Universities of Toronto, McGill, and Harvard, James Allen currently is Vice-Chair, Professor of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, and Rainbolt Family Chair in Child Psychiatry at the University of Oklahoma Health Sciences Center, Oklahoma City, OK, USA. He is past recipient of the Eric Berne Memorial Award and past-president of the International Transactional Analysis Association.The second colloquium followed a similar pattern to the first one. Starting on 30th October and running until Sunday 7th, it was launched with a paper written especially for the colloquium by Dr. James Allen entitled: The Neurosciences, Psychotherapy, and Transactional Analysis: A Second Look, with responses from an international panel of transactional analysts, who also have a special interest in the topic: Birgitta Heiller from the UK, Elana Leigh from Australia, Maria Teresa Tosi from Italy and Gregor Zvelc from Slovenia (see below). More than seventy people registered for the colloquium - some simply 'listened' and and some joined in the lively discussions. The event was moderated by Carole Shadbolt and hosted by Ray Little who offers this taster of Dr. Allen's paper:
Dr. Allen writes in his general introduction to the paper that 'advances in the neurosciences during the last decade have transformed our ideas about the brain, the mind, the body, and about treatment. Now, we are in an ever-improving position to look at what these recent findings may mean for psychotherapy in general and for transactional analysis in particular'. In the paper he lays out a map of the terrain as he sees it. This includes an introduction to the mind, neural networks, and evidence based practice. He also highlights three significant research models relevant to transactional analysis. In the second section of his paper he examines TA concepts and correlated neurobiological functioning. He continues in the next section by exploring specific questions regarding the unconscious, consciousness, transference and potential evidence that relational therapy may be superior to cognitive behavioural therapy. The final section of the paper addresses neuroethics. In this section Dr. Allen wonders how we as transactional analysts and as a society deal with the social issues involved in living with an understanding of underlying brain mechanisms.
This is a significant paper from a leading authority in this field, and I believe makes a powerful contribution to our understanding and practice of psychotherapy.
Ray Little, IARTA Colloquium Organiser.
The discussantsElana Leigh B.Sc. Social Work (University of Cape Town). MSc. Integrative Psychotherapy (Middlesex London). Certified Transactional Analyst CTA and Training and Supervising Transactional Analyst TSTA (ITAA).
Elana has trained and supervised nationally and internationally across a range of cultures for the past 26 years. Her specialty is long term training where the task is to take trainees through the rigorous journey of becoming an ethical professional. Having been trained as an integrative psychotherapist, her passion lies in integration and diversity in both theory and application. Elana is actively involved both nationally and internationally on bodies which maintain and advance training standards in the field of psychotherapy. She currently works as a psychotherapist in private practice, supervisor and trainer in Sydney. She can be reached at: elana@acissydney.com.au or www.acissydney.com.au
Gregor Žvelc is clinical psychologist and doctor of psychology (University of Ljubljana).
He is Provisional Teaching and Supervising Transactional Analyst (ITAA, EATA) and International Integrative Psychotherapy Trainer & Supervisor (IIPA). Gregor is director of the Institute for Integrative Psychotherapy and Counseling in Ljubljana, where he has a private practice and leads trainings in Transactional Analysis and Integrative Psychotherapy. His main interest is psychotherapy integration, relational approach to psychotherapy and developing research in psychotherapy. He is co-editor of International Journal of Integrative Psychotherapy. He can be reached at Institute IPSA, Stegne 7, 1000 Ljubljana, Slovenia.
E-mail: gregor.zvelc@guest.arnes.si Homepage: www.institut-ipsa.si
Maria Teresa Tosi is a Teaching and Supervising Transactional Analyst in the Psychotherapy field. She lives in Rome, Italy, where she works in private practice as psychotherapist and supervisor.
She is lecturer at the Salesian University in the Upper School for Specialization in Clinical Psychology and works as trainer in the Institute of Training and Research for Educators and Psychotherapists (IRPIR). She is past President of EATA (European Association for Transactional Analysis) and of SIAT (Italian Society for Transactional Analysis).
Birgitta Heiller Ph.D., MSc, TSTA is a psychologist and psychotherapist in private practice.
Since my early academic training I have had a particular interest in neuropsychology and was very excited about the convergence, after 100 years of schism, between psychoanalysis and neuroscience. Finding ways to integrate the new discipline of Neuropsychoanalysis into everyday practice remains a challenge, but one which I embrace. I combine a relational approach with the repertoire of energy psychology and EMDR, especially in the treatment of trauma.
Review of the IARTA Launch Event
On the 2nd Dec 2009 we held the official launch of IARTA, see below for a review of the event by Paul Kellett van Leer and to see some of the photographs taken on the night, see also the end of this review for details of the video links, so that you can see clips from some of the speeches made on the night.
The formed International Association for Relational Transactional Analysis (IARTA) officially launched on Wednesday December 2 in the chic surroundings of London's Cavendish Hotel; a warm and convivial setting that contrasted strikingly with the inhospitality of the stormy outdoors. The launch drew a large and varied crowd from amongst the burgeoning membership, interested professionals, friends and supporters who, defying the forbidding weather, together formed an exciting and eager throng. What a powerful parallel to the growth of relational psychotherapy within TA and the wider therapeutic world.
Heather Fowlie and Sue Eusden welcomed guests to the launch. After a warm process of informal gathering and meeting accompanied by wine and the beautifully evocative tones of Bach played by the guitarist Georgina Whitehead, Mark Widdowson began the proceedings by introducing his fellow founding members. All were in attendance other than Ray Little (who was in Scotland), Keith Tudor (who was in New Zealand) and Rosemary Napper (who was teaching in Brazil) all of whom sent their best wishes.Mark also acknowledged good wishes for the birth of IARTA from colleagues around the globe, including Jim Allen, Richard Erskine, Gloria Noriega, Elana Leigh and Dave Spenceley He also read out a powerful message from Dr Andrew Samuels, the first directly elected Chair of the United Kingdom Council for Psychotherapy and, himself, a central proponent of relational psychotherapy. You can read his, and all such messages in full on the IARTA website, but I wanted to quote a bit of Andrew's message here to give you a flavour of the kind of recognition IARTA has already garnered:
"I can honestly say that IARTA just had to come into being. TA was ready to engage more with unconscious and intersubjective processes through its own absorption of relational perspectives. It was being held back. The result is that relationally oriented Transactional Analysts who have felt deprived of a home now have one. You have come in from the wilderness. One thing I feel confident about now that IARTA is up and running is that we really have a TA fit for the twenty-first century, able to make its contribution, not only to the understanding and easing of personal distress, but also to wider social and cultural problems."Helena Hargaden, a co-recipient of the Eric Berne memorial Award with co-founding member Charlotte Sills, then spoke of her turn to relationality. Her discussion illustrated some central relational principles, my favourite being the Greek philosophical tradition by which knowledge is seen as a process of enquiry, rather than a fixed object of truth.
She was followed by our guest speaker for the evening, Susie Orbach (see below), another central figure in the relational psychoanalytic field.
Susie talked about how she had first been drawn to psychoanalysis "through the development of my curiosity about humanity and its vicissitudes ... and what we don't know about ourselves". Importantly, she critiqued the current confusion whereby 'relational' is conflated with 'relationship', thus rendering the concept of relational meaningless; "relational doesn't mean relationship - but it's not not about relationship - it's more ... it's not about merger but separated attachments". Plenty to digest there and something for IARTA to start to cook, perhaps.
Mark then invited questions from the group and we ended with a vibrant discussion generously raised by Phil Joyce regarding the relational dynamics of today's politics and power, envy and competition within the wider world of psychotherapy, social institutions and the economy. The birth of IARTA was thus celebrated with an excitement and enthusiasm that bodes well for the fortunes of TA and the principles of a relational ethic.
VIDEO LINKS - TO HEAR AND SEE CLIPS FROM THE EVENING PLEASE CLICK ON THE LINKS BELOW
To hear Charlotte Sills reading out a good will message from Keith Tudor, one of the founding members who could not attend the launch click here
To hear Helena Hargaden describe the links between humanism and the relational click here
To hear Susie Orbach talk about her roots in relationality click here
To hear Paul kellett Van Leer talk about The IARTA E-journal click here
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